Who Blather
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meddowMore Turn Left and Finale related things, mostly Donna randomness.
1. Where is all the Donna/Rose? Come on fandom, get your act together. I am such a Donna multi-shipper – Ten/Donna Donna/Martha Donna/Master, Donna/Sarah, Donna/Brigadier – lately I’ve decided Donna/Nine would be quite excellent. Could you imagine those two together – they’re both equally stubborn and stroppy. Actually, they’d probably kill each other before anything could happen. Brilliant.
2. Meanwhile Wilf called Donna his lucky star – Wilf totally ships Martha/Donna. Unless that’s some Madonna reference that supposed to be about that other famous Madonna, the one not married to Guy Ritchie. Well, we know RTD likes his Jesus references, and there has been the ongoing theme of children. Yes, I am reading way too much into things.
3. I really hope there’s a series four soundtrack, because I absolutely adored the music that played when Donna entered the circle of mirrors for the second time. Murray Gold sure knows how to overpower a scene, but the soundtracks always make for good listening when not watching the show.
4. I’m not sure about the Donna being special from birth thing. Donna being born special sort of undermines on of the many thing I love about her: that she’s just a normal person. I don’t mind the destiny thing, normally characters with destinies are good looking orphans with special talents and rarely older than 21 and I love characters that buck the trend. .
Unless the special from birth thing is retrospective from what she will do in the finale. Still, I’m going to be just a little disappointed if Donna is revealed to have superpowers that she doesn’t go out and acquire herself or aren’t the result of chance.
5. Apparently Mr Smith is going to be in the next episode XD. I just love that evil/brainwashed-by-Sarah-to-be-good computer. Shame that there seems to be no Alan, Maria or Clyde.
6. Random crack theory: Donna is the TARDIS. I have no idea how this would work.
7. Apparently there’s 25/1 odds on Catherine Tate being the next Doctor. Erm…yes please! (I for one forgot David Tennant was even in the show until he turned up again) Doctor who?
8. I can’t hate Sylvia Noble. I really can’t. But then I like Francine Jones and Chrissie Jackson (and all out love Jackie Tyler, but how can you not love Jackie Tyler?) Maybe it’s because she’s so deeply depressed to the point of being catatonic towards the end. And sometimes I feel fandom ascribes motivations on characters that are a bit more horrid than the writer intended. Don’t get me wrong, saying you’ve given up on a child is awful, (although the ‘yeah’ I ascribe to mental illness), but I get the feeling the way she acts towards Donna isn’t malicious but out of exhaustion. Donna strikes me as a person who when she was a teenager and in her twenties went about burning a lot of bridges while her family watched on. What do you do with a child now in her mid-thirties who could have hand the world if she had chosen to use that brain of hers and apply herself instead of going boy mad (as Wilf implies in TSS) and winding up with few qualifications? You attempt to get her security, and by this point you’re probably so frustrated you don’t bother with the niceties. And Donna can probably dish is out as good as she take it in Turn Left but is restraining herself, which is what you do when your mother is depressed for fear of making her worse.
Anyway, my point: Sylvia is sometimes nasty and certainly not acting in the encouraging way Donna needs and really needs to open her eyes to who her daughter is, but she’s not the devil, her motivations are not hateful and certainly her slow descent into depression is deserving of our sympathy.
9. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: if anything happens to Harriet Jones, I’m going to be very pissed off.
1. Where is all the Donna/Rose? Come on fandom, get your act together. I am such a Donna multi-shipper – Ten/Donna Donna/Martha Donna/Master, Donna/Sarah, Donna/Brigadier – lately I’ve decided Donna/Nine would be quite excellent. Could you imagine those two together – they’re both equally stubborn and stroppy. Actually, they’d probably kill each other before anything could happen. Brilliant.
2. Meanwhile Wilf called Donna his lucky star – Wilf totally ships Martha/Donna. Unless that’s some Madonna reference that supposed to be about that other famous Madonna, the one not married to Guy Ritchie. Well, we know RTD likes his Jesus references, and there has been the ongoing theme of children. Yes, I am reading way too much into things.
3. I really hope there’s a series four soundtrack, because I absolutely adored the music that played when Donna entered the circle of mirrors for the second time. Murray Gold sure knows how to overpower a scene, but the soundtracks always make for good listening when not watching the show.
4. I’m not sure about the Donna being special from birth thing. Donna being born special sort of undermines on of the many thing I love about her: that she’s just a normal person. I don’t mind the destiny thing, normally characters with destinies are good looking orphans with special talents and rarely older than 21 and I love characters that buck the trend. .
Unless the special from birth thing is retrospective from what she will do in the finale. Still, I’m going to be just a little disappointed if Donna is revealed to have superpowers that she doesn’t go out and acquire herself or aren’t the result of chance.
5. Apparently Mr Smith is going to be in the next episode XD. I just love that evil/brainwashed-by-Sarah-to-be-good computer. Shame that there seems to be no Alan, Maria or Clyde.
6. Random crack theory: Donna is the TARDIS. I have no idea how this would work.
7. Apparently there’s 25/1 odds on Catherine Tate being the next Doctor. Erm…yes please! (I for one forgot David Tennant was even in the show until he turned up again) Doctor who?
8. I can’t hate Sylvia Noble. I really can’t. But then I like Francine Jones and Chrissie Jackson (and all out love Jackie Tyler, but how can you not love Jackie Tyler?) Maybe it’s because she’s so deeply depressed to the point of being catatonic towards the end. And sometimes I feel fandom ascribes motivations on characters that are a bit more horrid than the writer intended. Don’t get me wrong, saying you’ve given up on a child is awful, (although the ‘yeah’ I ascribe to mental illness), but I get the feeling the way she acts towards Donna isn’t malicious but out of exhaustion. Donna strikes me as a person who when she was a teenager and in her twenties went about burning a lot of bridges while her family watched on. What do you do with a child now in her mid-thirties who could have hand the world if she had chosen to use that brain of hers and apply herself instead of going boy mad (as Wilf implies in TSS) and winding up with few qualifications? You attempt to get her security, and by this point you’re probably so frustrated you don’t bother with the niceties. And Donna can probably dish is out as good as she take it in Turn Left but is restraining herself, which is what you do when your mother is depressed for fear of making her worse.
Anyway, my point: Sylvia is sometimes nasty and certainly not acting in the encouraging way Donna needs and really needs to open her eyes to who her daughter is, but she’s not the devil, her motivations are not hateful and certainly her slow descent into depression is deserving of our sympathy.
9. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: if anything happens to Harriet Jones, I’m going to be very pissed off.
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Date: 2008-06-24 09:41 am (UTC)6. Random crack theory: Donna is the TARDIS. I have no idea how this would work.
I THINK I WOULD DIE IF THAT WERE TRUE. No wonder the TARDIS gets tempermental sometimes ;)
7. I feel bad for saying this, but I didn't miss Ten at all last episode. Not once did I sit there going "hmm, wonder where Ten is?", or "I MISS TEN, I HATE DOCTOR-LITE", because I was too busy going "OMG DONNA", which is a Good Thing. And you know that I irrationally LOVE Ten despite all his general faults.
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Date: 2008-06-24 10:01 am (UTC)The TARDIS and Donna do have seem to have similar personalities ;)
I don't think it's bagging David Tennant or Ten in saying that he wasn't missed rather than noting that Catherine Tate did such a brilliant job and that Donna is such an excellent character that an audience can be captivated for fifty minutes without the Doctor.
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Date: 2008-06-24 01:58 pm (UTC)4. I think it all depends on the next two episodes. If it's some kind of potential that she has that she has to make a choice to tap into, that's be pretty cool. She could potentially be special without her entire path being foreordained.
5. Mr. Smith?! I was already excited when I saw Luke in the trailer! I thought we were just getting Sarah Jane.
8. I couldn't hate her in Turn Left either. I don't doubt that she loves Donna, but it seemed like she was basically giving up on life. She lost her husband, her home, her friends, she feels helpless and sees her daughter feeling the same... it's heartbreaking. Her comments to Donna are harsh, but I don't think that automatically makes her an evil mother.
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Date: 2008-06-24 03:21 pm (UTC)It is odd, I liked Jackie and Francine but Sylvia just makes my skin crawl.
And I would pay very, very good money for CT to be the next doctor.
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Date: 2008-06-24 05:02 pm (UTC)3. I SO AGREE. I love that music and when it played I was like "I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE SOUNDTRACK SO I CAN LISTEN TO THIS SONG."
4. I assumed Donna "being special" was just a reference to how kick-ass she is/will be. Random superpowers would be weird.
5. Yay Mr Smith! Hee.
7. I'm not sure I like this idea, but then again, I really can't get into the whole woman-as-the-Doctor thing. :O
8. People need to chill out on Sylvia! I think it's amazing that she hadn't kicked her daughter out of her house long ago, lol. I love Donna, but she doesn't extactly treat her mom the best way either, so I just imagine they've had a very tumultuous relationship. Pretty much every argument or squabble the two have had are based around the fact that Sylvia just wants the best for Donna. Sylvia just wants Donna to have a good life, one that she goes out there and gets herself, not one she sits around to wait and fall into her lap. But, like many people, she has difficulty saying it well that doesn't just come out as shouting. I love Sylvia!
9. I love Harriet, and was kinda mad when they turned her into a sort of bad character. Or at least, we're supposed to not like her anymore cause the Doctor didn't, but I supported her actions in the Christmas Invasion and was sad when they mentioned her whole downfall later.
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Date: 2008-06-24 07:42 pm (UTC)SuperDonna really does depend on how it's pulled off. I keep on thinking TinkerbellJesus!Doctor, so I'm a bit pessimistic about the prospect, but RTD has been writing some wonderful stuff lately.
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Date: 2008-06-24 07:44 pm (UTC)I would pay very good money for CT to be the next Doctor as well. Actually, I would pay good money for it to be the Donna Noble show.
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Date: 2008-06-24 07:53 pm (UTC)People really do need to chill out about Sylvia. She does clearly want the best for Donna, even if her methods aren't the nicest.
I've seen some areas of fandom classify Harriet as evil, pretty much based on the Doctor's disapproval, which I think it a complete misreading of TCI. We're supposed to be unsure about her actions, which were reprehensible but she may well have been be right and averted a war. The Doctor's righteousness and intolerance for dissent made him come off as a less likable character in that scene than her, IMHO.
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Date: 2008-06-24 09:54 pm (UTC)8) I...uh, absolutely loathe her. But then, she also reminds me of my own mother. I'm kind of realizing some awful things about my family in the process of this. That said, I did feel/almost feel for her during the catatonic depression. The fact that in the midst of all of it she still couldn't stop treating Donna like she was the source of all ruin fucked me up, though. And if it's the frustration that causes her not to bother, then what about when there's not nearly as much as what she was going through near the end of the episode? I don't think she hates her kid, I think she's an awful mother who shouldn't have been allowed to spawn. Because what she does to Donna is exactly what breaks people down (when even the adversity of circumstances can't!).
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Date: 2008-06-24 10:27 pm (UTC)I'll also be annoyed if we loose Donna and she become something not Donna and not!Donna saves the day. Like Rose after becoming the Bad Wolf. That wasn't Rose that ended the Time War, it was the Bad Wolf. If there is something special about her, I want her to be the master of it.
And your completely right about over specialifying a character. Donna affection for the Doctor is way more special if they are just two people who randomly met one day than if their friendship was predestined and manipulated to be the greatest friendship in the universe.
I think Sylvia's become something of a lightning rod for everyone's mother issues, my own included.
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Date: 2008-06-24 10:47 pm (UTC)I love the loops of serendipity that is Ten/Donna. Destined to meet and meet again, okay (even awww under the right circumstances), but the emotion that grows being a matter of predestination down to the detail? Grr.
Most of the people I've seen commenting on Sylvia have had far better relationships with their own than that.
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Date: 2008-06-25 12:38 am (UTC)Serendipity is a for me a major part of the charm of Ten/Donna. I just love the fact that under normal circumstances, they would probably never give the other the time of day. But they got put in a situation where they had to put up with the other, got to know each other and become the best of friends. It's wonderful.
What I meant was that with fictional mothers and fathers it seem that they become larger than life representatives of people's disappointments in their own parents. People who hate Molly Weasley, for example, don't seem to like the occasional mollycoddling actions of their own parents. Sylvia Noble is object of ire of people who feel their parents disapprove of them. I'm getting into dangerous territory of pop-psychology, generalising and talking about something I know incredibly little of here though.