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Aug. 10th, 2008 12:47 pm
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After much terrible weather the sun has finally come out and some inconsiderate neighbour has decided to make sure everyone cannot leave their homes or open their windows since the street stinks like rotting fish.

I finally caught House's Head/Wilson's Heart and it was very sad. I think I found it far sadder than my flatmates since I adored Amber and House/Amber/Wilson is my House OT3whereas everyone I know seemed to hate her. I have no idea why.

I can't wait so see how House tries to fix his relationship with Wilson this time, it seems like they may have broken up for good, and well, it wasn't entirely his fault, but it was enough of his fault for Wilson to be justified in holding it against him until the end of time.

I seem to be all about OT3s these days what with Bruce/Rachel/Harvey as well.

Meanwhile I'm starting to find myself getting all excited about season three of Heroes, even though I'm quite sure it's going to be as bad if not worse than season two. Was it the spoilers that’s got me interested in the show again? The trailers? Nope. It was the cast photo that really drove home why I like the show:



Hurrah for Ma Petrelli being made a regular. Angela is one of my very favourite characters. Can we please have her and Noah in a scene together this season? And Claire's two daddies? Or if they really want to make me flail with excitement: Sandra meeting Angela. Actually, Sandra had better be in this series and not sidelined - the show is nothing without her and Mr Muggles and Noah/Sandra is my Heroes OTP (although I can't help but advocate the brilliant that would be the House of N OT3: Noah/Niki/Nathan).

I think it's official that Heroes is the show I just cannot quit.

My excitement about SJA series two should go without saying. I'm loving nearly every one of the spoilers that has leaked out about it. The big challenge is for it to be as good or even better than the first series, since it set a pretty high standard.

Date: 2008-08-10 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jadeddiva.livejournal.com
OOOOhh...any Bruce/Rachel/Harvey recs, out of curiousity?

Date: 2008-08-10 01:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meddow.livejournal.com
Sadly I have found no good Bruce/Rachel/Harvey besides that drabble you yourself wrote (did I comment on that? I may have forgotten to, I adored it) I'm very disappointed with Batman fandom.

Date: 2008-08-10 01:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jadeddiva.livejournal.com
I can't remember if you did or not, but thank you kindly - I'm glad you liked it.

Batman fandom disappoints me GREATLY - all this Batman/Joker slash. Seriously now, people. Though I am writing a Barbara Gordon story and I mentioned that people should add it to their story alert and, seriously, in the past three days I've received nearly 50 additional alerts on ff.net, which is good for Batman fandom over there. But wow. What a weird fandom.

Date: 2008-08-10 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meddow.livejournal.com
Yes, I don't get the Joker obsession. He's brilliant, but as Nolan says he's like the shark in Jaws. There's not really much to him other than a desire to destroy every other character and giving him a backstory ruins him and so there's nothing really to him that's interesting enough to explore. Whereas Harvey's fascinating and so is the Batman/Harvey dynamic and Bruce/Rachel/Harvey.

You know, suddenly I have an overwhelming desire to write a backstory for the shark in Jaws.

Date: 2008-08-10 02:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com
I either go with The Killing Joke or piece together a story from the bits I like from his various yarns about his past, and I don't think it ruins him. I really don't think The Killing Joke -- which also includes a statement of his that sometimes he remembers things differently, leaving room, and which elements from were given to the Two-Face origin story in The Dark Knight -- ruins him. He has a similar reaction to Harvey in the way he lashes out as a result of random tragedies that drive him to what he becomes. Plus I'm just fascinated by the idea of "someone who just wants to watch the world burn" and the cynicism that reflects; that's innately intriguing to me, somebody completely over the illusions of any social hope. Oh, I love a good mess, or a good mephistophelean character. His lack of accessibility, the way his vulnerability is shielded by his lack of any clear roots, contributes to what makes him so hard to stop. And since he's really clever and really damaging (physically and psychologically), that all comes together to make him, well, obsession-worthy as a figure.
Edited Date: 2008-08-10 02:27 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-08-10 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meddow.livejournal.com
I'm intrigued by a character that walks onto the scene as this extreme without any shred of humanity in him. The Joker in TDK scares me in a way only aliens and monsters, things without a human face, have managed to do.

But I don't want to know his origin or explore him because the thought that the Joker was once a person somehow diminishes his evil for me. Generally I like knowing origins, but this is an exception. I don't want to know what makes him tick beyond fire and destruction, or what his name really is or who his parents were, and to write and explore him and get in his head would be to give him those things. Giving him those makes him grey, and sometimes I just want a character villain to be without shades. I'd much rather treat him like a prop then like a character, that way the mystery remains. But, you can't do much of anything with props in fanfic.

Although, saying that, I've just put The Killing Joke on hold at the library.

Date: 2008-08-10 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com
I don't think he's ever really gotten a name. Other than in the Jack Nicholson movie, but that origin story made me NOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I prefer the mild-mannered ticking time bomb psychotic. Also, something about him screams bad romantic past, but he was probably going off the edge even before that theoretically happened.

I couldn't see him as a prop because he's just got so much more vitality than most of his surroundings, which he's generally the one playing with. But I don't see his violent mania as inherently one-note anyway.
Edited Date: 2008-08-10 02:48 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-08-10 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meddow.livejournal.com
Maybe not so much a prop, he certainly does have more vitality than that, but not a person. Possibly the god the comes down from the rafters and messes with everything on stage - that was how Nolan seemed to use him, and I think it worked amazingly well.

Date: 2008-08-10 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] airie-fairy.livejournal.com
I think I see him as a magnification of the resigned and embracing of disillusion. Which makes him definitely a person in basis. And I find that embracing-of-disillusion archetype endlessly fascinating, like they've had some epiphany we spend our lives desperately avoiding. I don't so much need or even want to know background as I assume there's got to be something -- kind of a huge reaction to have to nothing otherwise.

ETA: I don't think avoiding backstory strips him of complication. I think it offers the image of something complicated, without delving into it -- even helped by the lack of delving. It's not about actually knowing what might've happened, but the idle wondering as you watch slack-jawed while a city burns at his hand. Possibly despite itself, the movie left me with a conviction that somebody had a really abusive father from the various comments and the product we see before us. Not necessarily one who cut him into what we see, but still. And, maybe it was the delivery, but the part about the gambling wife sounded really arguably true. Especially the part where he cut himself up out of derangement before she left. Any story behind him isn't meant to absolve (certainly not) or redeem or anything, really, especially since the character we're dealing with is one for whom whatever that life was, it is so very, very over. He's not even wringing his hands over it, he's just picked up the mental snap and taken it from there. It just offers the logical necessity of there being a basis for something so extreme.
Edited Date: 2008-08-10 03:29 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-08-10 10:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] artic-fox.livejournal.com
You guys, I'm also disappointed in the lack of Bruce/Rachel/Harvey or combinations of the three.... :(

Date: 2008-08-12 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] averysmallthing.livejournal.com
The big challenge is for [SJA] to be as good or even better than the first series, since it set a pretty high standard.

I tell people this, and they don't believe me. Or stare blankly.

Date: 2008-08-13 12:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meddow.livejournal.com
Yes. I have a very hard time convincing people to watch it. Many don't seem to want to acknowledge that a show aimed at kids can be really great television.

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